I appreciate the historical context of the Russian aggression towards Ukraine. It seems during the 'made for TV' drama on Friday that Zelenskyy was trying to lay out the timeline, as in; In 2014 Russia told Obama I dare you. Then in 2017 Russia told Trump I double dog dare you, but before Zelensky had a chance to say anything to that effect he was cut off and lambasted. DumDum and crew did not want the public to be reminded that their administration did not seek Peace and let Ukraine to go it along (hoping it would surrender probably) back in 2017.
As I watched this awful scene play out, I so wished Zelensky had chosen to use a translator rather than attempting to navigate this minefield in his less than adept English, especially being agitated, exhausted and on the defensive. Zelensky’s accent and less than perfect English practically begged the two bullies to jump in and do their worst. Having to go through a translator would have sucked a lot of the adversarial tension out of the atmosphere. Maybe this way though, the thorough depravity of Trump and Vance might never have been so nakedly exposed for all of us to see.
Just as Trump voters are cucks, so is it also true that these kakistocrats are actually kaks -- and kaks gonna kak. Maximum ineptitude is what they love and what they do. I, for one, think TFN is correct that all this can't last very long. Running the world is a real thing.
I also had to go through the transcript in order to correct people who were hearing what they wanted and cherry-picking. There is also a cultural language gap as it relates to Russian native speakers and English native speakers.
1) by only allowing partisan media int he room, including one sycophant who seemed to think the most important issue was Zelenskyy outfit... THEN 'sofa' vance following that up with a diatribe about not wear a suit... was clearly an ambush.. maybe you missed that
2) hmpy trmPEDO have not insulted him worse, certainly not by his cabinet ... maybe eight years ago, before hmpy came into power -- now they all grovel.. there is no example of his current cabinet
3) Not only did hmpy and sofa not get that russia broke signed peace fire and hostage exchange BUT trmPEDO signed that agreement...
4) Zelenskyy did not come into the oval office 'to litigate this in front of the American media'
ª that is an out and out lie by sofa vance it was he and hmpy that put Zelenskyy in front of the media
5) it wasn't 'reportedly' ridicule Zelenskyy.. you prett much can see that if you search
6) here is the bottom line... it is what I call the klan rule... if you say your comments don't support the racist kkk, but the kkk says they do.. either change your words or admit you support the klan
russia says hmpy tmPEDO is on their side.. and hmpy doesn't change
Essentially the democrats had cornered Trump with the Russia hoax- he couldn’t appear to side with Putin otherwise it would’ve given more power to the false narrative.
What has to happen for the world to understand Zelenskyy’s caution with Trump’s version of diplomacy? This level of information is not being discussed anywhere, and it needs to be, in order to change the public’s perception of what’s going on here and why Trump cannot succeed with his current position.
Fabulous analysis! Bait and switch and outright lies. The only honourable person in the room was Zelensky. Washington may have been a “swamp” but Trump et al have turned it into a shithole.
Thanks Jonathan. I watched the whole damn thing on c-span (I am a nerd) and I have to say that it was a set-up. I think the whole "raw earth"-mineral shakedown to the tune of 500 billion (our aid did not total 500B dollars) with Zelenskyy was a way to destroy him politically and force elections to schism Ukrainian society. The whole, "You never said thank you, why don't you wear a suit?" was also part of the set up. Trump has abandoned prosecution of foreign bribery, Ukraine in NATO, investigations of Russian foreign interference before opening negotiations with Putin. Who negotiates that way? The only explanation is that Ukraine was to be divided up between Russia and the balance with a compliant state that they can manipulate for financial gain.
Trump and JD see common cause with Putin-- a war on Western liberal ideology, democracy and multiculturalism. When they speak about America First it's about a war for the interior of America, a war on our soul. The talk about China just a distraction. The war they want to wage is on us. For Trump the goal is personal power at the cost of the destruction of an American led world order. For JD and Rubio it's about Christian Nationalism. They think this is their last chance to seize power and if our country is diminished internationally and economically in the process, they are OK with it.
Even if you didn’t know all the history, anyone with a brain could understand what Zelenskyy was trying to communicate. Vance was trying to sideline the explanation to protect his boss who couldn’t even understand that we will FEEL the repercussions of this war if Putin isn’t defeated. It galled me to no end to then hear Speaker Johnson talk on meet the press about Zelenskyy needing an attitude adjustment - these people are fucking delusional.
No evidence it was an ambush? Sometimes the evidence is right there before your eyes. The only alternative explanation is that Trump and Vance are a couple of easily triggered conservatard snowflakes.
I tend to think it was a partial ambush. The gangsters decided in advance if it seemed that Zelenskyy was not going to openly offer the minerals at the start of the dog & pony show - makes DumDum look like a deal maker then plan B kicks in to pressure Zelenskyy - makes DmmDum look strong. Also, most organizations do not schedule meeting on a Friday. Not to mention it may interfere with going back to Florida to play golf.
How could America—the nation that stormed the beaches of Normandy, that helped tear down the Berlin Wall—elect Trump, a man who kneels before dictators? How did the country that once led the free world become one that spits in the face of its own allies?
Well fuck. When half the country (yeah, I know, math) elects a treasonous pile of orange shit for President, bad things happen. I hope the world knows how many of us are sickened by this. I didn’t have “flee America as a political refugee” in my long term plans, but here we are.
I appreciate the historical context of the Russian aggression towards Ukraine. It seems during the 'made for TV' drama on Friday that Zelenskyy was trying to lay out the timeline, as in; In 2014 Russia told Obama I dare you. Then in 2017 Russia told Trump I double dog dare you, but before Zelensky had a chance to say anything to that effect he was cut off and lambasted. DumDum and crew did not want the public to be reminded that their administration did not seek Peace and let Ukraine to go it along (hoping it would surrender probably) back in 2017.
Great analysis as always, thanks Jonathan.
As I watched this awful scene play out, I so wished Zelensky had chosen to use a translator rather than attempting to navigate this minefield in his less than adept English, especially being agitated, exhausted and on the defensive. Zelensky’s accent and less than perfect English practically begged the two bullies to jump in and do their worst. Having to go through a translator would have sucked a lot of the adversarial tension out of the atmosphere. Maybe this way though, the thorough depravity of Trump and Vance might never have been so nakedly exposed for all of us to see.
Just as Trump voters are cucks, so is it also true that these kakistocrats are actually kaks -- and kaks gonna kak. Maximum ineptitude is what they love and what they do. I, for one, think TFN is correct that all this can't last very long. Running the world is a real thing.
FN Exactly!
I also had to go through the transcript in order to correct people who were hearing what they wanted and cherry-picking. There is also a cultural language gap as it relates to Russian native speakers and English native speakers.
https://pauloftherepublic.substack.com/p/the-oval-office-meeting
1) by only allowing partisan media int he room, including one sycophant who seemed to think the most important issue was Zelenskyy outfit... THEN 'sofa' vance following that up with a diatribe about not wear a suit... was clearly an ambush.. maybe you missed that
2) hmpy trmPEDO have not insulted him worse, certainly not by his cabinet ... maybe eight years ago, before hmpy came into power -- now they all grovel.. there is no example of his current cabinet
3) Not only did hmpy and sofa not get that russia broke signed peace fire and hostage exchange BUT trmPEDO signed that agreement...
4) Zelenskyy did not come into the oval office 'to litigate this in front of the American media'
ª that is an out and out lie by sofa vance it was he and hmpy that put Zelenskyy in front of the media
ª it is a lie that it was the 'American media' hmpy trmPEDO and vance clearly invited the russian state media into the oval office ( https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/media/tass-russian-state-media-oval-office/index.html )
ª and to be clear all russian state media = spies
5) it wasn't 'reportedly' ridicule Zelenskyy.. you prett much can see that if you search
6) here is the bottom line... it is what I call the klan rule... if you say your comments don't support the racist kkk, but the kkk says they do.. either change your words or admit you support the klan
russia says hmpy tmPEDO is on their side.. and hmpy doesn't change
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-applauds-us-shift-on-ukraine-after-oval-office-clash
https://open.substack.com/pub/jackcashill/p/how-the-collusion-hoax-ignited-the?r=ymxjf&utm_medium=ios
Essentially the democrats had cornered Trump with the Russia hoax- he couldn’t appear to side with Putin otherwise it would’ve given more power to the false narrative.
Except that he's never done anything BUT appear to (and actually) side with Putin...
What has to happen for the world to understand Zelenskyy’s caution with Trump’s version of diplomacy? This level of information is not being discussed anywhere, and it needs to be, in order to change the public’s perception of what’s going on here and why Trump cannot succeed with his current position.
Fabulous analysis! Bait and switch and outright lies. The only honourable person in the room was Zelensky. Washington may have been a “swamp” but Trump et al have turned it into a shithole.
Thanks Jonathan. I watched the whole damn thing on c-span (I am a nerd) and I have to say that it was a set-up. I think the whole "raw earth"-mineral shakedown to the tune of 500 billion (our aid did not total 500B dollars) with Zelenskyy was a way to destroy him politically and force elections to schism Ukrainian society. The whole, "You never said thank you, why don't you wear a suit?" was also part of the set up. Trump has abandoned prosecution of foreign bribery, Ukraine in NATO, investigations of Russian foreign interference before opening negotiations with Putin. Who negotiates that way? The only explanation is that Ukraine was to be divided up between Russia and the balance with a compliant state that they can manipulate for financial gain.
Trump and JD see common cause with Putin-- a war on Western liberal ideology, democracy and multiculturalism. When they speak about America First it's about a war for the interior of America, a war on our soul. The talk about China just a distraction. The war they want to wage is on us. For Trump the goal is personal power at the cost of the destruction of an American led world order. For JD and Rubio it's about Christian Nationalism. They think this is their last chance to seize power and if our country is diminished internationally and economically in the process, they are OK with it.
Even if you didn’t know all the history, anyone with a brain could understand what Zelenskyy was trying to communicate. Vance was trying to sideline the explanation to protect his boss who couldn’t even understand that we will FEEL the repercussions of this war if Putin isn’t defeated. It galled me to no end to then hear Speaker Johnson talk on meet the press about Zelenskyy needing an attitude adjustment - these people are fucking delusional.
Transcript here courtesy of Wonkette:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-zelensky-transcript-white-house-b2706927.html
Thanks! The story has a link to another source for the transcript, factba.se, which now seems to be part of The Hill. Multiple sources yay.
Yes, yay! And great piece.
No evidence it was an ambush? Sometimes the evidence is right there before your eyes. The only alternative explanation is that Trump and Vance are a couple of easily triggered conservatard snowflakes.
I tend to think it was a partial ambush. The gangsters decided in advance if it seemed that Zelenskyy was not going to openly offer the minerals at the start of the dog & pony show - makes DumDum look like a deal maker then plan B kicks in to pressure Zelenskyy - makes DmmDum look strong. Also, most organizations do not schedule meeting on a Friday. Not to mention it may interfere with going back to Florida to play golf.
I mean, I'm pretty sure there's evidence for that alternative explanation!
How could America—the nation that stormed the beaches of Normandy, that helped tear down the Berlin Wall—elect Trump, a man who kneels before dictators? How did the country that once led the free world become one that spits in the face of its own allies?
𝗔𝗻 𝗢𝗽𝗲𝗻 𝗟𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗲 𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗻𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗱𝗶𝗰𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘀
https://patricemersault.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-from-true-americans?r=4d7sow
Well fuck. When half the country (yeah, I know, math) elects a treasonous pile of orange shit for President, bad things happen. I hope the world knows how many of us are sickened by this. I didn’t have “flee America as a political refugee” in my long term plans, but here we are.
Ignoring the greater context of their positions/arguments has been the right wing's MO, for as long as I can remember.
Also, there's a missing 'v' in the last two occurences of 'Avdiika'.
Fixed, thanks.
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