The fuck, the election was hacked by Seven Mountain cultist who got implanted into key positions in the polling places, machines went down everywhere . Even today the GQP is trying to throw out 160k votes in North Carolina for the Supreme Court race.
The rise of the nones has long been noted by the fundies. They are scared of losing their power . Even more since religious participation has tanked post Covid. Religions are primarily about control, with heaven as the carrot and hell as the stick. The degree of control varies of course with the more fundamental wanting the most. People who study this have noticed that in secular societies where religious participation is a choice religious participation decreases. That’s why they want religion in the classroom. They can’t indoctrinate them in church anymore.
However if their wish of a Christian government comes to fruition you’re going to see religious wars reminiscent of renaissance Europe. Only there won’t be 2 sparsely inhabited continents to run to. Huge infighting among denominations, especially Catholic vs Protestant. (With these people there’s always an out group.) This is one of the fears our founding fathers had, and why they prohibited a national religion.
The white Christian Nationalists and traditional white non college racists voted for Trump. Pretty plain and simple. The problem is, that together with some misguided Orthodox Jewish voters, and religious Latino voters, for whom abortion is a big issue, that is enough voters to bring victory to the creeps who won.
Yes! Any person who doesn’t want 8 yr olds watching porn in school where parental knowledge is banned is stupid ignorant garbage deplorable racist evil fascist child molesting (did i miss any?)
Yes! Thank you! For years now I have been saying that Evangelical Christianity is the gateway drug to MAGA. They have been primed to embrace Dear Leader with years of indoctrination. It’s a familiar path that feels right to them. If there was a Venn diagram with those two groups, the overlap in the middle section would be the biggest section by far. I am not surprised at all by the polls. Sad maybe, but not surprised.
I think I would respond to the bit about Obama’s faith grounding by asking how many people could actually articulate the evolutionary view of things, if you came along and insisted upon it.
As someone with an evolution degree, I always think “it’s not very many of us.” Most people just don’t think about the weird and incredible things their worldview is based upon: to think about it at all is quite unusual. I’ve never really felt this was different for someone like me, whose worldview is entirely naturalistic. The fact someone somewhere could maybe justify a position is not the same as assuming everyone who holds the position can. In fact, I would say they can’t, overwhelmingly. I don’t think many people really believe in evolution as they believe in the trees outside or something, and I think that because I am someone who does
Jon, this essay really exposed where Trump’s support is from. I have been thinking along the same lines, but the graphs tell the story
Given the overwhelming support from Evangelicals, and only 20% of “good Jews” supporting him, is it any wonder that Mike Huckabee was nominated as Ambassador to Israel? I believe it’s a reward to his Evangelicals, and a big FU to Jews, instead of nominating a Jew to the post, as has been the case since Israel became a state.
I’ve been talking about it and, like you, getting nowhere. It seems like Jesus got himself a fancy new PR hack. Fucking Christian totalitarians are everywhere. Probably just part of another psyop, but fuck!
Fascinating. Just a little tangential memory of mine. "Assimilation, yay?" ...My college thesis (undergrad) used that word, even in the title. It was a no-no back in 2000 or so. The correct word to use was "integration." I used it anyway....how time's have changed!
Well, they say that a large number of Latinos voted for Trump. If the Latino population is surging, you’ll expect more religious leaning voters in the future. Latinos are conservatives by nature. Unless we put our feet down and teach science and critical thinking, and remind them about the value of separating church and state, we will spiral down to a theocratic and very conservative government.
I blame jews
The fuck, the election was hacked by Seven Mountain cultist who got implanted into key positions in the polling places, machines went down everywhere . Even today the GQP is trying to throw out 160k votes in North Carolina for the Supreme Court race.
The rise of the nones has long been noted by the fundies. They are scared of losing their power . Even more since religious participation has tanked post Covid. Religions are primarily about control, with heaven as the carrot and hell as the stick. The degree of control varies of course with the more fundamental wanting the most. People who study this have noticed that in secular societies where religious participation is a choice religious participation decreases. That’s why they want religion in the classroom. They can’t indoctrinate them in church anymore.
However if their wish of a Christian government comes to fruition you’re going to see religious wars reminiscent of renaissance Europe. Only there won’t be 2 sparsely inhabited continents to run to. Huge infighting among denominations, especially Catholic vs Protestant. (With these people there’s always an out group.) This is one of the fears our founding fathers had, and why they prohibited a national religion.
I have made a number of enemies as of late by telling them I don’t give a shit about their religion. And to say I don’t give a shit is being nice.
The white Christian Nationalists and traditional white non college racists voted for Trump. Pretty plain and simple. The problem is, that together with some misguided Orthodox Jewish voters, and religious Latino voters, for whom abortion is a big issue, that is enough voters to bring victory to the creeps who won.
My brother, let me help you out- “non denominational” is most definitely Protestant. I was raised in it!
Rejects pope- not Catholic. Rejects bishops- not Orthodox/Anglican/Methodist/some Lutherans.
From there on, there’s only one camp that qualifies: some type of Protestant.
Good article though!
White Christian Nationalism is a political movement, not a religious movement per se.
It preceded DJT, he has merely captured it and branded it MAGA, which now IS the GOP.
https://medium.com/@jylterps/confronting-maga-white-christian-nationalist-fascist-authoritarian-power-a-plan-for-greater-82af15f53542
Yes! Any person who doesn’t want 8 yr olds watching porn in school where parental knowledge is banned is stupid ignorant garbage deplorable racist evil fascist child molesting (did i miss any?)
Yes! Thank you! For years now I have been saying that Evangelical Christianity is the gateway drug to MAGA. They have been primed to embrace Dear Leader with years of indoctrination. It’s a familiar path that feels right to them. If there was a Venn diagram with those two groups, the overlap in the middle section would be the biggest section by far. I am not surprised at all by the polls. Sad maybe, but not surprised.
And this is why a lot of us who kinda liked going to church sometimes have declared never again.
I think I would respond to the bit about Obama’s faith grounding by asking how many people could actually articulate the evolutionary view of things, if you came along and insisted upon it.
As someone with an evolution degree, I always think “it’s not very many of us.” Most people just don’t think about the weird and incredible things their worldview is based upon: to think about it at all is quite unusual. I’ve never really felt this was different for someone like me, whose worldview is entirely naturalistic. The fact someone somewhere could maybe justify a position is not the same as assuming everyone who holds the position can. In fact, I would say they can’t, overwhelmingly. I don’t think many people really believe in evolution as they believe in the trees outside or something, and I think that because I am someone who does
But exit polls only poll voters who went to the polls, not those who said “Fuck this. What’s the use?”
Jon, this essay really exposed where Trump’s support is from. I have been thinking along the same lines, but the graphs tell the story
Given the overwhelming support from Evangelicals, and only 20% of “good Jews” supporting him, is it any wonder that Mike Huckabee was nominated as Ambassador to Israel? I believe it’s a reward to his Evangelicals, and a big FU to Jews, instead of nominating a Jew to the post, as has been the case since Israel became a state.
I’ve been talking about it and, like you, getting nowhere. It seems like Jesus got himself a fancy new PR hack. Fucking Christian totalitarians are everywhere. Probably just part of another psyop, but fuck!
https://biffogram.substack.com/p/throwback-to-the-future
Fascinating. Just a little tangential memory of mine. "Assimilation, yay?" ...My college thesis (undergrad) used that word, even in the title. It was a no-no back in 2000 or so. The correct word to use was "integration." I used it anyway....how time's have changed!
Well, they say that a large number of Latinos voted for Trump. If the Latino population is surging, you’ll expect more religious leaning voters in the future. Latinos are conservatives by nature. Unless we put our feet down and teach science and critical thinking, and remind them about the value of separating church and state, we will spiral down to a theocratic and very conservative government.